
| Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 9/21/09 7:39 AM - Permalink Well, I don't want to protect Obama, too much. I'm not an expert. But I once read that even the President himself, can not simply make new laws without the rest. Which simply means that if all others disagree for some reason. And I'm afraid some people are stupid, the president himself, will be just powerless.  Now, talking about that health care thing. It really seems that Republicans block there. And Republicans have a bad reputation if it comes to money. So, they just don't want to "waste" money and therefore refuse. I again don't know. But I think only in times of war, the president may have some "supreme word". But that again is probably only about warfare itself. Not about law making. At least not the long term laws. |

| Posted by warlock, 9/21/09 5:21 PM - Permalink Quote: Originally Posted by HuxleyStronghead Well, I don't want to protect Obama, too much. I'm not an expert. But I once read that even the President himself, can not simply make new laws without the rest. Which simply means that if all others disagree for some reason. And I'm afraid some people are stupid, the president himself, will be just powerless.  Now, talking about that health care thing. It really seems that Republicans block there. And Republicans have a bad reputation if it comes to money. So, they just don't want to "waste" money and therefore refuse. I again don't know. But I think only in times of war, the president may have some "supreme word". But that again is probably only about warfare itself. Not about law making. At least not the long term laws. The whole thing with the health care plan has alot of americans worried,they are afaid of losing their health plans which they have now,which pays for the hospital care and their precriptions.Then there is the small business "s which say they will never be able to afford the cost that obama is going to charge for these changes,which means by law they must provide health care to their employess,they cant afford it.then people say they dont want our goverment playing doctor either do I,your either a politician or a doctor,as far as the republicans they do things, the dems just complain,and lets not forget it was the dems that didnt want to give the tax breaks to the american people the republicans gave the american people tax breaks.. this is going to be a long process before anything gets done wheather people are happy with the health care plan or not,I think most people will not be happy with our goverment playing doctor..let alone having them say who gets medical help and who dosent..keep your fingers cross that all works out fine for everyone |

 | Posted by kukuruza, 9/28/09 9:13 AM - Permalink all politics are based on lies and bullshits so i think the future is not going to be beter than now but wors i guesss the sollution is to correct the definition of the words (PEACE and POLITIC) __________________ [LINK REMOVED] Last Edit: 10/5/09 at 12:21 pm |

| Posted by warlock, 10/1/09 6:27 PM - Permalink Quote: Originally Posted by HuxleyStronghead Well, I don't want to protect Obama, too much. I'm not an expert. But I once read that even the President himself, can not simply make new laws without the rest. Which simply means that if all others disagree for some reason. And I'm afraid some people are stupid, the president himself, will be just powerless.  Now, talking about that health care thing. It really seems that Republicans block there. And Republicans have a bad reputation if it comes to money. So, they just don't want to "waste" money and therefore refuse. I again don't know. But I think only in times of war, the president may have some "supreme word". But that again is probably only about warfare itself. Not about law making. At least not the long term laws. why is it that if people disagree you call them stupid? I dont understand how you can trust obama when you dont even know him on a personel basis.. |

| Posted by shieldmaiden, 10/3/09 12:22 AM - Permalink Don't take Hux too personally warlock.
I think you've summed up the problem really well. I don't think President Obama had any idea how difficult it would be to implement meaningful health care reform. I some ways I think he was a bit naive and maybe inexperienced, but I think he learned quickly that it was going to be a long haul.
Part of the problem is that, in country's with national health care insurance, the programmes are federally mandated and controlled because the federal governments form the major governing body. This means that legislation that affects all citizens is created and implemented federally. The federal government dictates what can and cannot go into any insurance programme and uses funding to ensure that their protocols are met.
This is not the case in the US. The founding fathers, in an attempt to avoid the creation of another monarchy, set up a republic which gives the States the right to governance over their own business. In an odd way, this is now coming back to haunt current legislators. They cannot, constitutionally, tell any State what it can or cannot do as regards to its citizenry, but can only implement a programme and suggest that it is in the State's best interest to comply with it.
A bigger issue still is with the private insurance industry which is legislated on a State level, rather than a federal level. Each State has its own Insurance Board and each State has created its own legislation to control the actions of its Board. This means that 50 different legislative bodies have to be reformed to try and meet some sort of standard.
Finally, there's the money.....there's ALWAYS the money. Politicians and Political Parties receive a ton of campaign money from the private insurance sector, and they have an enormous lobby in Washington, with essentially unlimited funding. Furthermore, the States receive a lot of tax money from their insurance companies and, at a time of economic hardship, are hardly likely to want to discuss reduction of premiums, as it would mean a further erosion of their financial state.
I'm not sure what will happen, but it strikes me that both Democrats and Republicans are trying to manoeuver themselves into a position where they are least exposed if everything goes down the dumper.
Frankly, right now, I think it's cover your keester time in Washington. Last Edit: 10/3/09 at 12:27 am |

| Posted by warlock, 10/3/09 5:31 AM - Permalink Quote: Originally Posted by shieldmaiden Don't take Hux too personally warlock. I think you've summed up the problem really well. I don't think President Obama had any idea how difficult it would be to implement meaningful health care reform. I some ways I think he was a bit naive and maybe inexperienced, but I think he learned quickly that it was going to be a long haul. Part of the problem is that, in country's with national health care insurance, the programmes are federally mandated and controlled because the federal governments form the major governing body. This means that legislation that affects all citizens is created and implemented federally. The federal government dictates what can and cannot go into any insurance programme and uses funding to ensure that their protocols are met. This is not the case in the US. The founding fathers, in an attempt to avoid the creation of another monarchy, set up a republic which gives the States the right to governance over their own business. In an odd way, this is now coming back to haunt current legislators. They cannot, constitutionally, tell any State what it can or cannot do as regards to its citizenry, but can only implement a programme and suggest that it is in the State's best interest to comply with it. A bigger issue still is with the private insurance industry which is legislated on a State level, rather than a federal level. Each State has its own Insurance Board and each State has created its own legislation to control the actions of its Board. This means that 50 different legislative bodies have to be reformed to try and meet some sort of standard. Finally, there's the money.....there's ALWAYS the money. Politicians and Political Parties receive a ton of campaign money from the private insurance sector, and they have an enormous lobby in Washington, with essentially unlimited funding. Furthermore, the States receive a lot of tax money from their insurance companies and, at a time of economic hardship, are hardly likely to want to discuss reduction of premiums, as it would mean a further erosion of their financial state. I'm not sure what will happen, but it strikes me that both Democrats and Republicans are trying to manoeuver themselves into a position where they are least exposed if everything goes down the dumper. Frankly, right now, I think it's cover your keester time in Washington. Well these people should not be allowed to put peoples health in danger bacause they want to make money,theres 3 million people in the good old u.s.a. and we let 546 people on capital hill rob us everyday,what a shame.these people should get the same health plan that they want for us,I think when all this is over, there wont be too many keesters to cover,but then again these people will only lie their way out of things. I think maybe if the u.s.a. would stop fighting other peoples wars and stop being the police of the world then they can take better care of their own people.I just would like to see all with plenty of good things in their lifes,I'm sick of seeing people suffer at the hands of money hungery idiots..as far as hux good GOD he's a nut case(hehehe)but he has the right to express his views but I wish he would learn that just because people disagree dosent mean their stupid..oh well lets just pray all works out good for all..it would be nice to see these people on capital hill only be allowed to serve for only four years then their gone,no ifs, ands or keesters about it....have a nice day Last Edit: 10/3/09 at 5:35 am |

| Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 10/12/09 7:07 AM - Permalink I will explain again about "Stupidity on Disagreements" and "Stupid White Men". Stupidity on Disagreements:I didn't mean to say that anyone who disagrees or has a different view, is automatically stupid. Nay. In fact, there can be three reasons for one to disagree: First and the best reason is simply that the person knows it better. The second reason is that the person chose just to go a different way. So not much of difference in idea just preference. And the third, and the scourge of our world. I'm afraid is the reason of stupidity! That was my whole point about presidents and their promises. I'm careful to say that they don't hold their promises because they cannot. I'm just saying that no matter how good and detailed it was. If the president fails to convince others. And he could fail if they are STUPID. Well, then ironical the most powerful man in the world. Is the most powerless man in the world. The president isn't a king, emperor or dictator who simply can say and do what ever he wants! The president does rely on many others in the government, to vote for the ideas and even execute them. Stupid White Men:The phrase of "Stupid White Men" actually is not racism from my side. But against racism. Taking facts from the past. Where white misused black. So, what I meant with "Stupid White Men" was that all those whites who say bad and even do bad against black. Just got a lesson with the election of president Barack Obama. A lesson I hope they will never forget!  Last Edit: 10/12/09 at 7:08 am |

| Posted by shieldmaiden, 10/12/09 12:22 PM - Permalink @Hux - just because Hollywood used the phrase "Stupid White Men" to title one of their movies doesn't mean it is isn't disrespectful. Since you are not American, you don't fully appreciate how statements concerning colour and intelligence affect people on an emotional level. Understanding it intellectually is not the same thing.
Incidentally racism cuts both ways and no country is immune from it, nor is any person. That is why we have to be very vigilent about what and how we critique other people's actions or opinions. It's one thing to criticise an action or an opinion, and quite another to use the same critiscm on the person.
As for racism in America, the reality is you can pass all the legislation you want but it will not change what people believe, or think.
I believe that racism in America is actually no different than it was except that the ideology of "political correctness" has pushed it underground. In an odd way, African-Americans were better off prior to the Civil Rights Act because the racism was open and in your face - ergo: it could be, and was, discussed openly. Now it's "politically incorrect" to discuss these kinds of things so nothing can change. |

| Posted by warlock, 10/12/09 2:25 PM - Permalink @Huxley You say all the bad things whites do and say to blacks,But why didnt you bring up the fact about all the bad things blacks do and say to whites, mmmmm.....and what lesson will anyone learn from obama being president,that all his promises were lies and he really dosent care, so dont be fooled again and vote for a black person..Huxley your not from America so you wouldent even know whats going on here like us Americans,and to be point blank Americans are very tired of people from other counties keeping racism alive in our country by making remarks like the one"s you keep making..I live in Philadelphia,pa South Philly which is very rich and diverse in culture,there are people from all different backgrounds, color, shapes and sizes,yes we have racism right ouside my front door,but we as Americans deal with it on a regular basis,we know that racism is wrong and evil but their are some scum bags that dont,still our neiborhood pulls together and we find a way to educate the racist people,their are blacks who dont even know that it was the Afican people that sold Afican people into slavery..We feel when people are taught a different way of life and a meaningful one instead of hateing people for no good reason its a better life for all.If more people from other counties would take care of themselves and curb their hateful ways and stop worring about what they think is going on in other counties then maybe they would wake up and see that their the real part of the problem by keeping racism alive and to boot right out side their front door..tHAT SEEMS TO BE THE SCOURGE OF OUR WORLD,STOP POLICING OTHER COUNTIES AND START CLEANING YOUR OWN COUNTRY UP FIRST. |

| Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 10/12/09 9:49 PM - Permalink Quote: Originally Posted by shieldmaiden @Hux - just because Hollywood used the phrase "Stupid White Men" to title one of their movies doesn't mean it is isn't disrespectful. Hollywood did already? CRAP! And I thought I'm original.  I'm white myself, but I do respect the black. In fact, there are stories about white females who go more for black males and stuff like that. See! And I still respect black! And calling whites stupid. Those whites of course, who still believe in that crap. Is not disrespect. But a fact that they are stupid indeed. If you deny this fact. You support their actions and may be considered as a racist yourself. Because I was indeed only addressing racists. I don't care what they say. The skin color MOST DEFINITELY, is no a reason for anything. Quote: @Huxley You say all the bad things whites do and say to blacks,But why didnt you bring up the fact about all the bad things blacks do and say to whites, I was mainly talking about the past. Probably even about the very beginning. Quote: Huxley your not from America so you wouldent even know whats going on here like us Americans,and to be point blank Americans are very tired of people from other counties keeping racism alive in our country by making remarks like the one"s you keep making.. You sound like a German now, Warlock: "Boo, Hoo, we are no Nazis!" But you know what? In order to fix such problems. You people have actually do to something first. Barack Obama did. He wouldn't beat white. He would just try to keep everything down and keep it fair for both. So I really don't get your problem here, Warlock? Last Edit: 10/12/09 at 9:49 pm |
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