you all are right. but these are the problems that we all agree on. what about the solution? is there any one has an offer? present borders are enough for peace? or a free palestine within west bank and gaza? or must be the borders in 1948 ? or jews must go totally ? or what else ? (please concrete solutions, not abstract)

If we stop all the cry babies for wailing all the time the problem would solve its self.

just like israel does ha? anyway but please don't offer abstract solution (for example, israel shouldn't let new settlements in palestine, ..etc)

It's not abstract its the truth how many buildings are built by crying none. People working does that we just have to let it play the way all things do!!!!

At last, someone makes sense. God tells us ALL to pray for the peace of Isreal. He calls them blessed, and because I love God, I will love the things He loves. Does it really do any nation any good whatsoever to condem another? As Christians we are told not to attack Isreal in any fashion, so, "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord". There are those who are givin the gift of 'teaching' but I'm not one of them so I don't go around shouting my religion, but I do believe the scriptures and so I will not condemn Isreal, it's not my place.

So many nations have become nations through war. They have stayed nations in the same manner, through fighting to keep what they gained. Isreal fought it's war and became a nation the same way, and they continue fighting to keep what they've gained. If they stopped fighting do you think their neighbors wouldn't kill their women and children? Is there any history anywhere that says that Isreal's innocents were never harmed? Why, then are others calling them terrorists, murderers, cruel? Perhaps it is because Isreal IS chosen by God, His chosen people, and whatever powers there are out there that hate God are driven to destroy this place that He loves out of hatred for Him. In any case, I don't have any desire to tempt His wrath so what does it hurt to leave Isreal to seek it's own peace.

jews have right to kill any one month old baby who is not one of them because, he is not chosen(only you believe that) by God. Do you mean that?

Of course not. You completely miss my point. You say they are murderers and terrorists because of this war that they are fighting, but their war and the atrocities commited are no different from any other war that has ever been fought in the history of this planet, so why are you so determined to single them out? THAT is my point. Why hurt over the injustices of war NOW and only concerning the actions of ONE nation in the face of mankind's entire history of this same behavior? I think that's what dualxseal was try to ask you as well. Why not lament the innocent men, women, children who have been raped and murdered by the Taliban simply because they believed in Christ? What about the Romans, or the Huns, or the Chinese who used to kill their OWN children simply because they were born female? What about the Germans, or Babylonians who used to sacrifice their infants in the name of the gods THEY believed in....You believe you're right in the opinion you have, and I am not try to disuade(?)you from that opinion. I'm simply asking what your motivation is. After countless acts of hatred and violence commited in EVERY nation at any given time throughout history, why single out ONE nation to be offended at?

yes youre right but our topic is about israel and her crimes. I just want you to not deny them and make offers how to stop it. just do it

[S][S]If that's the case saracen then you give us a offer!!![/S][/S]