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TheAvenger
Posted by TheAvenger, 9/16/09 3:14 PM - Permalink
No, my friend I'm right. But, the suggestion I'd make is for both sides of this to sit back, take a deep breath, DeviantArt people quit posting on DeviantArt that they're going to get DesktopNexus shut down ( I know of at least 42 other wallpapers sites both in the US and Europe and I've seen things from DeviantArt on all of them, so it would be an endless battle) or sending pms and making comments on people's pages that are hateful and/or nasty (check out things vacuumslayer has posted and commented, for one example) and for DesktopNexus people to understand that artists do work from their hearts and to delete or give credit as soon as their asked to. I know members on both of these sites and represent a well-known photographer who is a member of both sites, in all his infringement cases (he's the one who asked me to check out what was going on, because he felt it was VERY damaging). I've noticed that DesktopNexus people who aren't harassed or getting hateful nasty comments, but getting an honest request to delete or give credit have been doing it, so I know the "gentle" approach does work. As the old saying goes "You'll get more using honey instead of vinegar". ;) Like I said in my earlier posting, I always represent writers, artists, and musicians who have been infringed upon, so I do understand how you feel, but any kind of war has too damned much collateral damage and I truly don't think that's what any true artistic person wants. If you agree with what I'm saying, please pass it along to others who may accept a working truce. This will be my last posting, as I know nothing else to say that might stop this. Good luck to members of both sites!
Marsille
Posted by Marsille, 9/16/09 3:20 PM - Permalink
We have gone over this and over this.. That cannot be helped and will be dealt with case by case. As long as nothing comes directly from dA there will be no problem..

As for Mr. LegalEagle, I have in no way threatened to shut down DN. What I said was that eventually someone with money will discover what is going on here and take care of it. I don't even know any rich people. I have no intention of causing any harm to this site.. Only to watch and make sure that none of my art, nor that of my friends is posted here without their permission. I make no claim of copyright violation on my friends part, but will notify them if I see something. It will be up to them to deal with it. I will deal only with my own.. I have gone out of my way to be polite in dealing with everyone on this site, even when they were not polite to me.. Excuse me if I have.. It was never intended that way.. I am not harassing anyone. I find your threats insulting. At this point I actually doubt you are an attorney.
Last Edit: 9/16/09 at 3:30 pm
HuxleyStronghead
Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 9/16/09 3:24 PM - Permalink
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Originally Posted by MrUnknown
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Originally Posted by Marsille
I have dealt with my problems on this site.. I am now trying to assure it does not happen again.. It's really qiuite simple.. Don't post anything that was taken from dA. I will be watching.


I don't think that you understand the point. No one will, after all this noise, go and intentionally download one of your works. He will get kicked out or something. But, and here is the important part, most users find WPs that they upload here on DN on other sites, and it may happen that some of these WPs are DA members' work. DN user cannot know that it is DA members' work, because it does not say anywhere on the WP that it belongs to DA user "A" or user "B", whatever the artist's name is. AND, DN as well cannot know that it is a DA members' work. Therefore, please take it easy and try understand that DN is not to blame here. Administration does everything it can to sort any complaints in shortest time possible.

Can we please focus on trying sort things out instead of blaming one another? Shall we?

MrUnknown

I have to agree with you once again, MrUnknown. And also I want to add that not all artists in the world are only on DeviantArt. This problem started with DeviantArt but this problem is not specific to DA, but an international concern as well. Since Desktop Nexus is international itself.

Also, if one really wants quickly to remove images from DN. And Komodo and his people really have a lot to do. Just like TheAvenger said, be polite, simply ask members directly and the problem may be solved quicker. Though, sooner or later when the administration gets their hands on it. You will have your report resolved fairly, anyways. ;)
Last Edit: 9/16/09 at 3:28 pm
TheAvenger
Posted by TheAvenger, 9/16/09 3:38 PM - Permalink
I said I'd made my last post, BUT, Marsille I've threatened no one. Reread my postings! I saw what you posted on DeviantArt plus a comment you made on one of the Deviants, who joined DesktopNexus, profile page. You said that you'd delete and I believe you will. If you read what I posted, I made suggestions for both sides of this to reach a truce. And as to me not really being a lawyer, if you have a copyright problem and I can help send me a pm and I'll be happy to help you with it pro bono! :)
Marsille
Posted by Marsille, 9/16/09 3:58 PM - Permalink
I have no copyright issues at this moment. Thank you. You are welcome to visit my dA page at any time.. I removed the offending sentence.. Actually I was very surprised at the amount of my work I found here, as I no longer have full use of my right hand and am partially blind. I am old. 65 to be exact.. There is an image of me at the bottom of my journal. Very little worries me, but I do not take lightly to the posting of my work with out permission.. It's really easy to ask, although I doubt I will ever say yes to anyone again.. As for the attorney thing I was talking about Mr. LegalEagel, who made veiled threats to me, not about you.
christara
Posted by christara, 9/16/09 4:20 PM - Permalink
please check my link now am worried how far this is gonna go.
and please help me on what am suppose to do.?

http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/27531/#comment136462

~christara 17 minutes 18 seconds ago
hello there kutsche i,ve just been notified by starfantazy and they have pointed me in your direction.
here is the message i posted them.below the lines.
as you may not know there is a lot of work getting ripped and uploaded on Desktop nexus.
i,ve come here to ask permission regarding a wallpaper i feel i made apart from the original background but they believe i ripped it from you,.so the reason am here is to ask for your permission so i keep it uploaded.[link]
and for you to check it out and maybe throw me a comment,..thanks in advance...
chat ya soon,.have a great day byee 4 now.


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cheers for that starfantazy where do i go from here becuase i created the work on it regarding the modifications on that wallpaper.so what am i supposed to do..
that includes the page curl,water effects and the fish on the wallpaper,oh and the dove..is it one of yours or can you point me in the right direction of the artist..plus like i say i didn,t rip this from DA i got this from fantasyartdesign.com who i believe are the original.cheers again byeeeeeee 4 now.
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and please believe on this i downloaded the image from fantasyartdesign.com/free-wallpapers/wallpaper.
which i believed to be free.
i didn,t upload your original work and i put my own twist on that wallpaper so i don,t know where i stand on this and am waiting on an answer from DN before i do anything.
cheers for coming along and chat ya soon,.byeeee 4 now.:)
HuxleyStronghead
Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 9/16/09 4:35 PM - Permalink
You have notified Kutsche and asked for permission. So what did Kutsche say?

Anyways, maybe in any case, you should mention in the description that you modified this image. So that actually there are two creators behind it.
ivoryshiki
Posted by ivoryshiki, 9/16/09 4:38 PM - Permalink
From copyright.gov.

"
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently
misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action
in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See
following note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages
to registration. See “Copyright Registration” on page 7.

Copyright Registration
In general, copyright registration is a legal formality intended
to make a public record of the basic facts of a particular copyright.
However, registration is not a condition of copyright
protection. Even though registration is not a requirement for
protection, the copyright law provides several inducements
or advantages to encourage copyright owners to make registration.
Among these advantages are the following:
• Registration establishes a public record of the copyright
claim.
• Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration
is necessary for works of U. S. origin.
• If made before or within five years of publication, registration
will establish prima facie evidence in court of
the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in
the certificate.
• If registration is made within three months after publication
of the work or prior to an infringement of the work,
statutory damages and attorney’s fees will be available to
the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an
award of actual damages and profits is available to the
copyright owner.
• Registration allows the owner of the copyright to record
the registration with the U. S. Customs Service for protection
against the importation of infringing copies. For
additional information, go to the U. S. Customs and
Border Protection website at www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/import.
Click on “Intellectual Property Rights.”
Registration may be made at any time within the life of
the copyright. Unlike the law before 1978, when a work has
been registered in unpublished form, it is not necessary to
make another registration when the work becomes published,
although the copyright owner may register the published
edition, if desired.
"

I understand that you mean that the 'provisional copyright' doesn't allow you to make a suit in court. Yes, I understand that, it says it right there, that it has to be registered to be able to go to court.

Here's the problem I have with what you're saying. The way you put it isn't an 'I'm a lawyer, I'm here to help', it sounds more like 'I'm a lawyer and you guys wouldn't be able to take us to court, so we can do it anyway.'

However, we have proof here from the government copyright office that says,

"It is illegal for anyone to violate any of the rights provided by the copyright
law to the owner of copyright."

We, as artists, may not be lawyers that are 'an expert, in copyright law, who argues cases before the US Supreme Court and The World Court, in The Hague.' but we know our rights, and we are allowed to claim copyright on works that people are displaying without prior consent, whether we have a registered copyright or not.
MrUnknown
Posted by MrUnknown, 9/16/09 4:48 PM - Permalink
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivoryshiki
We, as artists, may not be lawyers that are 'an expert, in copyright law, who argues cases before the US Supreme Court and The World Court, in The Hague.' but we know our rights, and we are allowed to claim copyright on works that people are displaying without prior consent, whether we have a registered copyright or not.


No one said that you do not have copyright for your work. I think everyone here accepts the fact that you are the owners of your own work. Right now i am sure that administration is sorting things out, please be patient. Also, please do not act as if DN is the troublemaker here, as you can see a big portion of your work has been taken from other sites.

MrUnknown
HuxleyStronghead
Posted by HuxleyStronghead, 9/16/09 4:53 PM - Permalink
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrUnknown
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivoryshiki
We, as artists, may not be lawyers that are 'an expert, in copyright law, who argues cases before the US Supreme Court and The World Court, in The Hague.' but we know our rights, and we are allowed to claim copyright on works that people are displaying without prior consent, whether we have a registered copyright or not.


No one said that you do not have copyright for your work. I think everyone here accepts the fact that you are the owners of your own work. Right now i am sure that administration is sorting things out, please be patient. Also, please do not act as if DN is the troublemaker here, as you can see a big portion of your work has been taken from other sites.

MrUnknown

Yes, true. I don't know how this is looking in detail. But just to calm a few people down here. Especially those without money. I don't really know, but I think that the DN administration just looks at the upload dates on DN and DA and the problem is solved. *shrugs*
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