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Attention DeviantArt Members
Marsille
Posted by Marsille, 9/15/09 7:29 PM - Permalink
Is there some way we can get across to the members of Desktop Nexus that all images on deviantArt are copyrighted and not Public Domain? This would easily solve the issue.. No one has the right to post any images from deviantArt on this site but the original owner and creator or without their written consent. It's really a simple fix.
larisa
Posted by larisa, 9/15/09 7:47 PM - Permalink
Hm, I have two concerns for this. Though I think it is a great idea for a quick fix and it would almost guarantee the DA artists' copyrights, I am still in the process of trying to get replies on some of the images I have uploaded and if I can receive their written consent then I would hate for all that have favored that artist's work on this website to not know where they could find that image again, if it were deleted simply because it originated from a DA artist.

The other concern I have is that I have seen some of the images, mostly ones by artist QuantumSuz, on other websites. I have no idea what kind of agreements, if any, that artist has made with other websites but it wouldn't be fair to put DN through the ringer if a member picked up a DA artist's image from another website and uploaded it here.
Last Edit: 9/15/09 at 7:49 pm
Marsille
Posted by Marsille, 9/15/09 7:58 PM - Permalink
It's always best to ask an artist if you can use their work.. Most will say yes, but some will not.. I did not mean that DN members should stay away from dA, but that they understand that the images there are copyrighted, and they need to ask permission to post them here
larisa
Posted by larisa, 9/15/09 8:56 PM - Permalink
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Originally Posted by Marsille
It's always best to ask an artist if you can use their work.. Most will say yes, but some will not.. I did not mean that DN members should stay away from dA, but that they understand that the images there are copyrighted, and they need to ask permission to post them here


I do so agree with you and had I realized, let me be 100% honest - paid attention, that the images were copyrighted before I downloaded a copy to upload on a wallpaper sharing site, I would not be trying so desperately to get in touch with any of those artists now. Truth of the matter is, I didn't read any of the information surrounding the page other than the pictures name and the artist so I could post that much with the picture.

I can only say than you very much for those of you from DA that have been kind through all of this.
Last Edit: 9/15/09 at 8:58 pm
kat41150
Posted by kat41150, 9/15/09 9:03 PM - Permalink
Quote:
Originally Posted by larisa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsille
It's always best to ask an artist if you can use their work.. Most will say yes, but some will not.. I did not mean that DN members should stay away from dA, but that they understand that the images there are copyrighted, and they need to ask permission to post them here


I do so agree with you and had I realized, let me be 100% honest - paid attention, that the images were copyrighted before I downloaded a copy to upload on a wallpaper sharing site, I would not be trying so desperately to get in touch with any of those artists now. Truth of the matter is, I didn't read any of the information surrounding the page other than the pictures name and the artist so I could post that much with the picture.

I can only say than you very much for those of you from DA that have been kind through all of this.


All you really need to know is that if you didn't create an image, no matter where you find it, you have NO RIGHT to post it here or anywhere. To do so is to violate the copyright of the artist. It's that simple: if you didn't make it, leave it alone.
Last Edit: 9/15/09 at 9:04 pm
larisa
Posted by larisa, 9/15/09 9:17 PM - Permalink
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Originally Posted by kat41150

All you really need to know is that if you didn't create an image, no matter where you find it, you have NO RIGHT to post it here or anywhere. To do so is to violate the copyright of the artist. It's that simple: if you didn't make it, leave it alone.


That is not all-together true. There are plenty of wallpaper sharing sites on the internet and the majority of wallpapers uploaded on any one of them are, in fact, for sharing. Knowing this fact, it is easy to understand how anyone could not pay attention to all of the print on any given website when they are in search of a nice picture to upload and share here. Given the recent occurence; however, I will most definitely pay closer attention to the all of the print.
Last Edit: 9/15/09 at 9:18 pm
kat41150
Posted by kat41150, 9/15/09 9:28 PM - Permalink
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That is not all-together true. There are plenty of wallpaper sharing sites on the internet and the majority of wallpapers uploaded on any one of them are, in fact, for sharing. Knowing this fact, it is easy to understand how anyone could not pay attention to all of the print on any given website when they are in search of a nice picture to upload and share here. Given the recent occurrence; however, I will most definitely pay closer attention to the all of the print.


Okay, then let's put it this way: if you're not on a wallpaper sharing site, then leave the images alone. I assume that you all know where you are on the net.

And art sites aren't wallpaper sharing sites.
larisa
Posted by larisa, 9/15/09 9:45 PM - Permalink
All I can say is, if I gain permission from the artists to have their picture on my account then there should not be anymore reason for anyone to judge another as all wrongdoing, now should there?
I have managed to get ahold of two artists so far that have not minded since I have given them recognition but I have given all the artists recognition from the moment I uploaded the picture in the first place.

So in light of that fact, of the permission granted, then I do not see any reason to prevent anyone from going onto an art site and as long as they ask and receive permission, then they can upload that artist's image here or anywhere else that artist agrees with.

Now if an artist tells me no, they don't want their image uploaded by me then I have absolutely no problem with removing the image.
christara
Posted by christara, 9/16/09 5:06 AM - Permalink
now obviously its wallpapers like this that has presumebly cuased a stir amongst Deviant art uploaders who generally do there own work and upload on there site?
and there has been many uploads from what i,ve seen of this wallpaper and now the original artist has joined the group (DN) because he is vexed by seeing his work on here and someone taking all the credit for it.

http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/35769/

http://nature.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/176705/

http://nature.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/149826/


like many out there on the internet who do there own work and seeing it uploaded here on DN then many would become very angered by what i,ve seen and been allowed to get away with.
from looking into this wallpaper and comments made by the uploaded who appears to be the original artist looking at the date of where i,ve seen it then something needs to be done to stop it happening again in the future.
it reminds me of when toyota got annoyed at DN for wallpapers to do with toyota and some valid reasons by uploaders and toyota were drawn with a (I presume) a happy conclusion on the issue.
which resulted in many images being dropped by DN and things got back to normal.

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/toyota-demands-wallpapers-be-removed-from-d...

http://cars.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/26232/


now all people out there who have a car for example some one comes along and without your permission you being the owner,
takes your car for a spin then this in theory is the same has taking some one else,s hard work of creating a picture and using that picture has your own and taking credit for by uploading it.
so i suggest where ever possible seek the person or place and ask if its ok for you to upload else where.just because it has a download function on what ever site you find this wallpaper doe,s not mean it can be uploaded so you can take credit for it.
it means that its for your personnal use to use has what it was intended for a wallpaper.
if we all could do this then am sure some one has a valid reason to walk into the Louvre in Paris,take down the MONA LISA and then use it for what ever purpose they see fit.regardless of who owns it or what they say,so let common sense lead your path if you didn,t make or design or help in any way in that picture you,ve found then it is probably owned by some one else so please seek permission whenever possible.

And has for copy right laws then it doe,s not always come down to a piece of paper saying i own it,
so please if no one is clear on this check out the many copyrights on other sites as well has DN.
and please just because DN have implemented a copyright notice on there site it doe,s not mean thats the written rule on copyright so please once again check around to clarify what is out there.?
firstly Deviant arts copyright notice.
http://about.deviantart.com/policy/copyright/

And please an extremly inportant document to be read is here on this link so please check them out.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/reference/article.php/3472671

http://onlinepublishingresources.suite101.com/article.cfm/copyright_infringem...

so once again please check all copyright issue,s before assuming its ok.copyright notice,s on site such has DN and Deviant art are only guidelines to follow so please be careful when uploading some thing you have found on the internet or any where else for that matter.
so please read all links i,ve posted before commenting to me.i,ve look around and it seems to me that any image that doe,s not carry the owners permission or is created by the owner should not be seen on other sites apart from the original site it was uploaded too?.
that is where the person who created it, is where it was intended for.and any uploads on other sites should carry in my opinion a permission from the owner?. or which could be provided for if asked?.
unless that picture was purchased or has been given permission to be uploaded elsewhere then this is my reading by what i see has the copyrights i have read in the links given?

all i can say is be careful in the age of digital art?

i hope this helps in getting a resolve for all concerned over the distastful action what i,ve seen over the past few days.
chat ya all soon,.byeeeeeeeeee 4 now.



P.s
Under the Berne copyright convention, which almost all major nations have signed, every creative work is copyrighted the moment it is fixed in tangible form. No notice is necessary, though it helps legal cases. No registration is necessary, though it's needed later to sue. The copyright lasts until 70 years after the author dies. Facts and ideas can't be copyrighted, only expressions of creative effort.
here is a link so anyone can read up on it.?
this is extremely important to anyone who has uploaded a wallpaper regardless of where they,ve uploaded it ?.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_...
Omaida
Posted by Omaida, 9/16/09 5:48 AM - Permalink
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Originally Posted by larisa

The other concern I have is that I have seen some of the images, mostly ones by artist QuantumSuz, on other websites. I have no idea what kind of agreements, if any, that artist has made with other websites but it wouldn't be fair to put DN through the ringer if a member picked up a DA artist's image from another website and uploaded it here.

True Words.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsille
It's always best to ask an artist if you can use their work.. Most will say yes, but some will not.. I did not mean that DN members should stay away from dA, but that they understand that the images there are copyrighted, and they need to ask permission to post them here

Fine words, but meaningless. Like Larisa said, she has downloaded an image from a BLOG. What you do not conceal the proof of the other's name or copyright, or has even been painted over. How then do we, questions?
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